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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:49:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it.
Basically, no it isn't. That's just what the parrots love to spout because unless you're playing mywayGäó you're doinitwrongGäó. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Basically, yes it is, because that was the design paradigm when exploration distribution was determined.
No it isn't. The "design paradigm" revolves around the concept of risk vs. reward, not how new or experienced a player is. Older players have always been given the option to choose between levels of risk and thus, levels of rewards. And some choose the lower threshold. This also applies to mining, missioning, and pretty much any profession one chooses to do in safer space (i.e. hi sec).
And flipping the coin, bar the first few days, new players can also get their start right from the go in 0.0 or lo sec. Because again, it has very little to do with "newbies" vs. experienced players and more to do with how much risk are you willing to take. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand the idea was that the newbie-level content was in highsec
And this is now very different from the claim I originally addressed, which was "high sec is basically a starter area". Again, no it isn't. And to which your reply is "yes it is". At no point has CCP ever stated that hi sec is intended to be a "starter area" for new players. There are "starter" systems in hi sec, but that does not make hi sec a starter area.
Quote:and once you got better, you'd move to more difficult and more rewarding content in other areas.
You could if you wanted to. My point is you don't have to.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Saying that it is the area for newbie-level content is not very different from saying that it's a starter area. After all, that's where the newbie-level content belongs.
In fact it is very different. Claiming that hi sec is a "starter area abused by players who refuse to leave it" is very different from stating that starter systems are found in hi sec. Usually, the former is used as an antagonistic reprimand to shame and insult hi sec players; baseless propaganda. The latter is in fact true. Starter systems are indeed found in hi sec. But then again, so are other non-starter activities which experienced players may still find indulging.
Bottom line is hi sec is an area where players with different levels of experience may find a home and in no way is it classified, except by a few opinionated players, as a starter area. You can convolute or spin it however you like. You can throw words around like "it's so obvious" or "your head can't grasp" or hell, sprinkle it with tippia-facts (i.e. factoids labeled as "facts") all you want. It will not change the truth of the matter :P. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:Bottom line is hi sec is I'll do that nasty evil thing I do and cut you off right there. You see what you said there? GÇ£IsGÇ¥? That's the problem: you're using the wrong tense.
Ok then:
Quote:...hi sec iswas an area where players with different levels of experience find may have found a home. This is of course, no longer the case.
Better?
On a more serious note, shame on me for falling for your troll :P. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:The idea that hisec must be restricted to being a "newbie area" is bad and wrong and should be put in a bag and drowned like a litter of unwanted inbred puppies. Sure. But again, the point is the past as an explanation of what is, rather than the present as a reason for what should change. MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Better? No, because now it's either a bit self-contradictory or just plain inaccurate. And you understand why highsec is full of starter-level content, then?
This is fairly pointless. You have a tendency of denying your initial assertions or convoluting them with irrelevant responses to the point where you're no longer even defending your original assertion, but rather moving the goal posts around at will :\.
I'm outta here. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand you have good examples of this?
Tippia wrote:I'm referring to the clause immediately preceding it about how starter systems are found in highsec.
This is what you said:
Tippia wrote:Saying that it is the area for newbie-level content is not very different from saying that it's a starter area. After all, that's where the newbie-level content belongs.
Of course, you'll twist this around and claim how north is really south and history is now and the future is past and how what you said isn't really what you said because of shabba. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:This is what you said: Tippia wrote:Saying that it is the area for newbie-level content is not very different from saying that it's a starter area. After all, that's where the newbie-level content belongs. GǪwhich, again, says nothing about starter systems being in highsec or making any inferences from this fact.
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand the idea was that the newbie-level content was in highsec And this is now very different from the claim I originally addressed, which was "high sec is basically a starter area". Again, no it isn't, no matter how much you claim it is. At no point has CCP ever stated that hi sec is intended to be a "starter area" for new players. There are "starter" systems in hi sec, but by no means does that make hi sec a starter area. |
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